@TwilightFaze Wow, trying to explain that you're not sexist even though you're literally engaging in sexist statements. Cool.

And I never insulted you beyond what is actually apparent. You're literally emphasizing the fact that she's a woman and using that as your explanation. That's the epitome of sexism. That's not uncalled for. That's you being sexist.

No duh, society is sexist. Society is also racist. Society also has liars and murderers. Does that make it okay? That's what you're relying on.

By your literal logic, I get to be racist because society is racist. That's the crap that you justify.

My point is that you're trying to say that it's somehow worse that he attempted to harm Ma-Ri specifically because she is female. It should be bad to harm ANYONE. The problem is that you drew specific attention to harming a woman. No, you're being sexist because it should be bad to harm ANYONE. That's why you're sexist.

I know you blocked me. Congratulations, you ran away from a discussion because you know you're wrong. Congratulations.

@givemersspls: Yes, I misread. I WAS gonna correct myself before you posted that, but then you resorted to insults, which I never did with you. I won't respond to most of your counters because they are understandable. Most are.

But it's also clear you only read pieces that adhered to what you want. Talking with people like you is a waste of time, but (and I can't believe I have to say this again), I was never trying to change your mind. I've said multiple times that the kid is a dick, yes, but also that he's a KID! Please read everything I read in full, not just bits and pieces.

As male myself, no I'm not being sexist. If anything, you are. You try to justify his violent behavior by striking a woman (a mentally ill one, I might add). You think it's ok to hit a woman out of rage? Ok, do that in your home. Tell me how that works out for you. Beat your wife with a bucket. Show me the police report that says the cops let it slide because it was between two people. You call me sexist, but this is how society works: A MAN DOES NOT STRIKE A WOMAN. Don't like it? Too bad. This is what society expects from a man. Even if you still have a problem with that, it still doesn't excuse the fact of resorting to violence on another person. So no, this is wrong on many levels and it's pretty sick you try to dismiss that.

You also completely ignore the act of destruction of property for self-satisfaction (admitted by the MC himself.). You're telling me as long as it's in petty revenge it's ok to completely destroy someone else's property? Regardless of whether the MC agreed with it or not, he's not the head of the house. He's just a kid. She had the father's permission and approval, which means the kid had no right to destroy someone else's property. The fact you're ok with that is also pretty sick.

Yes, I agree some tough love is needed, but these 15 chapters alone show he was just being cruel (once again admitted by the MC himself). The fact you can ignore all that says more about you than it does about me. Ma-Ri may have social issues, but you sympathizing with these actions says you got some mental issues of your own and I'm genuinely scared to talk to you anymore. After all, if you're ok with this level of violence and destruction, who knows what you're capable of when you get mad?

Don't bother responding as you've been blocked. I refuse to associate with a sociopath.

@TwilightFaze Wow, you massively misread what I wrote.

"You asked me why he was a straight-up dick vs not really a dick, then you have me be specific to just Ma-Ri"

That's literally what this discussion has always been about. That's what it has been about from the very beginning. That shouldn't be a surprise if you actually read the previous posts.

"you didn't need specific examples, just general ones, and now you say you do?"

I said I don't need people to go back through the previous chapters. I don't need specific citations. I don't need people to say in chapter X, page Y. What I have always asked for is specific examples that can be described. That's what I asked for.



Dismissive? If your father had a relatively easily solved issue, then what would you do? Sang-Won was obviously still making a very reasonable suggestion of just eating healthier. That's completely reasonable. That's not dismissive.

On remarrying, he asked a sincere question. How is that being a straight-up dick?



Physically aggressive? I actually want you to answer this question. Do you sincerely think that Sang-Won would actually physically harm his father in that specific situation? It was done for comedy and to show his frustration. I sincerely doubt that he would actually physically harm his father in that case.

Chapter 8: She lied. She conspired with his own father. She lied some more. He gave her options. She refused. Yes, it makes sense to sell her stuff that she shouldn't have bought in the first place.

Chapter 10: You admit that it's controversial. Again, lying and conspiring.

Chapter 12: You admit that it's an accident.

Okay, stop your bullshit with that example. Striking a woman? No, stop your bullshit. It's striking a person, REGARDLESS of their sex. Why does her being a woman matter in this case? No, fuck your sexist bullshit.

Chapter 13: If not for her being so bad, he literally wouldn't have climbed those stairs, done those things, etc. In a very realistic way, it is her fault. Even if it isn't, wouldn't you be upset if you just broke an arm?

Chapter 14: That's not being a straight-up dick. Your explanation of that just doesn't explain anything.

Chapter 15: You can be the mean person without being a straight-up dick! That's the entire concept of tough love, which seems to be exactly what Ma-Ri needs here!

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I need to stress here because I think I found the issue. You're actually being straight-up sexist. That's actually clear. That's your excuse.

@givemersspls: You asked me why he was a straight-up dick vs not really a dick, then you have me be specific to just Ma-Ri, and you didn't need specific examples, just general ones, and now you say you do?

Just for the record, you're not being consistent. But that's fine, I got no problem obliging (Keep in mind I can't direct to pages since this is long strip format):
Chapter 1: The kid is dismissive about his dad having diabetes and criticizes the fact he doesn't remarry, showing no concern for his father's welfare
Chapter 2: While (rightfully) upset about the arranged marriage, his yelling and physically aggressive behavior towards his dad is unacceptable.
(Didn't want to talk about the dad? Too bad, Being a dick doesn't limit itself to just one person. If you're a dick, multiple people are affected. BUT! Per your request, I'll do just Ma-Ri now)

<skip chapters to where she is fully exposed>

Chapter 8: Forcing her to sell her stuff (Controversial, I know, but because she had the father's permission, this isn't actually an issue. Instead of forcing her to sell it away, he could have just cut them off until she earned them back)
Chapter 10: Destroying her stuff for personal satisfaction (Again, controversial. Yes, Ma-Ri is reverting to old ways, but this is still too extreme no matter how you look at it, especially since he said he was planning to resell it. Completely unnecessary and cruel, not to mention an active waste of money.)
Chapter 12: Trying to hit Ma-Ri with a bucket in revenge (Yes, yes, it really was an accident on her end and he didn't believe her, but striking a woman? I don't care who you are or what your reasons are, that's just not cool. Serves him right falling off the stairs like that.)
Chapter 13: Blaming his injury on Ma-Ri due to his action and reaction (I know what you wrote, but re-read the chapter. Who climbed those stairs? What was his aim? Did he look where he was going? His injury was HIS fault, no matter how you slice it) and staying focused on it despite other people having a life (Seriously, who do you think pays for the house, kid?).
Chapter 14: Having the absolute stones to pretend he WAS being nice to her. (Should also point out he didn't try to understand her situation until the next chapter)
Chapter 15: Realizing his past actions from this past made him the bad guy (Aka, admitting himself he was being a straight-up dick).

I think that's enough evidence. I can go more, but this wall of text is starting to look a little too tall and it's pretty clear there's a pattern.

I need to once again stress that while his situation is pitiable and his frustration for all these issues is very understandable, his reaction and behavior to them is what makes him a dick. But (and I really feel you keep missing this point I keep saying) he's also a middle school brat. He's still got growing up to do. You ever met a teenager with his emotions in control? I haven't. But at the same time, his overall attitude towards others, not just Ma-Ri is what makes him a dick.

I'm not changing my mind on this and I'm not trying to change yours either. I gave my opinion and nothing else. That's why I said we should agree to disagree. I'm not going to press this any further, nor should you. This back-and-forth wall of texts between us is getting old and will just go on forever, here or DM. I'm ending it here.

@TwilightFaze I would be more inclined to agree with you if you, or anyone else, had given a specific example of him being a straight-up dick to Ma-Ri. No one has done so.

He yelled at Ma-Ri because she lied to his face. She had said she would cook proper meals for them. She instead bought takeout. She spent A LOT of money. He found out that it was for games. Hell, she even literally broke his arm! He actually forgave her for that because he recognized that that one was an accident, and that shows a decent level of maturity. And after all of her lying and such, he confronted her about it in a not overly dick way. He asked her about it. She shut herself out and refused to speak to him to explain anything. Not only that, she literally did conspire with his own father to get him to shut up.

You've literally forgiven Ma-Ri while blaming Sang-Won for everything, with your main justification being that Sang-Won should not act that way towards adults. If you had lying, conspiring adults in your life, wouldn't you be as upset as Sang-Won?

If you do give me a specific example of Sang Won being a dick to Ma-Ri, then I might be able to explain it in context. It could be a back and forth discussion between us. I'm fine with that if you are as well. A person's behavior should be judged based on the collection of their specific acts. It doesn't really make sense to be able to say Sang-Won is a bad person if no one has given specific examples that cannot be excused.

@givemersspls
I agree what you were saying. Also he is 15 and seemingly having to deal with a lot of shit from others already. His dad seems cool but is more or less incompetent in terms of prioritizing (or even considering) his son's desires over his own hastily thought out ideas. Just letting his son learn it all by being forced to do so without much if any assistance from anyone. Then when he fucks up, simply because he didnt know, he is made out to be the asshole.

If anyone is a dick in the manga I would say his dad is more so than he ever was. Especially because he was right with his reasonings almost every time. Not to mention the shitty start the two of them had. She was a borderline gold digging neet at the start. Most would be less than kind if that was just added to their life.

Nice

NICE, THANKS FOR TRANSLATING

YAY THANKS

Even dead girl's heart will beat if you treat her nicely~

*sudden A Little Piece Of Heaven flashback*

Color me shocked. Cheezers came back...

@givemersspls: This is gonna have to be one of those "agree to disagree" things then. Because while his situation is certainly stressful and Ma-Ri being a shut-in is something of an annoyance. Yelling at her, admonishing her, and overall just being terrible to her (again, by HIS own admission, so let that say something) when she is clearly a very passive person is just a dick thing to do. It's on thing to tolerate her situation and try to do something about it, but his attitude on doing so? Straight-up dickery. Add to the fact that, despite her personality, she is still an adult. Kids treating adults like shit is bad enough, but when said adult is trying to be nice, but is constantly frightened by the other party? How is that NOT being a dick? He wasn't oblivious to it either.

Sorry, dude, I get where you're coming from, but the MC is a punk bastard who needs to man up not lash out. He's been growing up and calming down little by little, though. Fortunately, this latest story arc seems to be helping him out too.

To clarify, I don't hate the kid. If I was in his shoes, I'd be just as WTF about the situation, though I wouldn't be as mouthy. I just think that BECAUSE he's a kid that's why he's being such a little dick (most middle school boys my age were growing up). But I also firmly believe once he ages a few more years, he'll get his act together and become much more likable.

Just binged this, and yes, I look forward to this, thank you.

@TwilightFaze Disagree. I would say that a prime example of his justification is his father. The one person that he can call family, the one person whom the MC is supposed to be able to trust, massively lied to him about Ma-Ri. The father straight up lied to the MC's face about the nature of Ma-Ri's presence in the house.

Now, that would be forgivable in and of itself if the father had any sort of reason for it. He hasn't. He has never explained why he needed to lie to the MC. If anything, it simply made treating Ma-Ri's social phobia even more difficult than it would have otherwise been. The MC was simultaneously confused by her seemingly inconsistent behavior and her lies and had expectations of her. For what reason did the father lie?

Even then, I could maybe still forgive the father if that was all the father had done. It isn't. He has actively conspired with Ma-Ri to shut his own son up both before and after it was revealed to Sang-Won what was actually happening. He does this multiple times, where the father goes behind Sang-Won's back in order to support Ma-Ri to the direct detriment of Sang-Won.

You talked about a master plan that the father has. Let's give the father MASSIVE benefit of the doubt and say he's doing this all for his son's best interests AND that it will all work out without unintended consequences. So? In terms of Sang-Won's reactions, I think he is actually justified. He explicitly doesn't know what that master plan is, as you yourself indicated. His reactions in light of being constantly lied to and betrayed by his own father are fairly reasonable, in my opinion.

Even then, that really doesn't address the issue of whether he was a "straight-up dick" to Ma-Ri specifically. You can be a dick to one person and not to another.

@givemersspls: A prime example is his treatment of his father. Forget the heroine entirely. He is constantly disrespectful, foul-mouthed, and talks down to him. But again, to counterpoint, he is a middle-school kid and the dad IS a bit flakey (though only because his master plan is unknown to the boy). Maybe it's just how I was raised but if I, or any of my friends, said half the things I said to my dad that the MC says to his, we wouldn't be sitting for a week.

The kid is arrogant, proud, stubborn, and full of nothing but himself: a straight-up dick. But (and I feel I need to stress this a 3rd time because this was overlooked), he's still a kid. I've a feeling he'll wise up once he hits high school. Plus it's not like he's a bad kid or wicked-hearted or anything. He just has a major attitude problem.

omfg

6 months of hiatus and finally it's baaack! Thank you

@JavelinJoe That's fair enough, but it's not really the point.

All I've said is that he hasn't "really" been a dick (at least in my opinion). I admit there are borderline cases, but I would disagree that he has ever been a "straight-up dick", where it's clear and no one would sincerely disagree.

@givemersspls
To quote GotG, I dont think anyone can be 100% a dick.

I didn't expect the return of this series. Nice comeback