Ahhh I'm sad and Happy I caught up, stopped reading around the farm arc because how slow it was being released to let it accumulate. Now I kinda regret it and going to stop again to read it for a long while maybe until Ive heard it's over. C ya Vinland manga for a bit.

MORE PLEASE! :(

I love Hatt! Stupid dumb Sigurd already had a cute wife.

That moment when you come up to the comments expecting funny bits or hyped reactions, only to be met with a dumb and heated af argument on semantics... Why tho

how could that be. the childhood friend actually prevailed?!

@Apero agreed, Hild is superior, and Canute is definitely best girl - when I saw Canute with whiskers, my hopes were dashed... he was really just a bishie dude all along 😥😥😥

@bana @truepurple look up thorfinn karlfseni's wiki for the answer then

The tern was spoken about before the arc and now it's relating to the whole thing about Gudrid that's cool.

@Bana as they say, don't feed the troll.
It's not your fault if the opposite side only has three connected braincells.

@Bana Just stop arguing with him, it's clear you two will never reach a consensus

@truepurple

being happy means nothing, though i interpreted it as being flustered more than anything. you really don't know anything about thorfinn if you think he would marry or do anything for the sake of being happy before he felt like he had atoned for all the husbands he has torn from wives, fathers from daughters, sons from mothers. you don't understand the underlying point of his desire to go to vinland. what have you been reading?


i have made my argument several times and you have ignored it several times. until you address my explanations and what you specifically disagree with, the matter is closed. i was open to conversation, but i do not talk to walls. "what's the point?" it's a little worrying that you don't remember that you're the one who started this whole thing up by blowing things out of proportion and asking for an explanation of my opinion.

Gudrid WHO?

Hild is best girl anyway. Second only to Canute. But we don't talk about Canute.

First, she #%@ confessed to him and he was very stunned but happy, actual results is yet to be seen but considering everything it's reasonable to think positive. Shipping is randomly putting together people based on your own fantasies, this is part of the story of the material in question. Either that was daft or dishonest of you, either way one spectacularly fail argument.

Secondly, this kinda epitomizes your whole, convenient to you, argument. How much someone, a MC in the story no less, values her as a woman has nothing to do with her qualities as a woman?!? Damn!!
So basically, nothing I said matters because you unilaterally declare this and that not about her womanhood. As grand arbitrator of all things feminine(knowing even more than the author), I couldn't possibly win. Who appointed you that position?

And criver, you're just making up accusations against me as a sort of ad-hominem. Trying to "win" by tearing me down. (BTW, ad-hominem isn't any old insult, it's when you try to use the insult as a argument) It's not quite the same since you're falsely attacking my words rather than personally attacking me. But it's a bunch of false accusations regardless. And not a word of yours in that last post actually addressed the topic.

Look, if you're going to be vague, and you have been as well as Bana, that means you leave the interpretation of your words up to the other person. If anyone doesn't like that, they can be specific, clear, and back up their words. Hell, you still haven't gotten a tiny bit specifc. "you took the worst possible interpretation of their words" and I'm not going to tell you the correct one because that would be telling. Too easy that way to actually know what someones saying then (well assuming criver even knows the correct interpretation of Bana's words.)

@both of you
What's the point of even saying Gudrid is a low woman? Criver, you accuse me of trolling without saying the word. But consider the statement that started it. That you think X character is low quality in some way. It is a subjective personal opinion. More-over, it doesn't need to be said. Were you trying to convince others of her low quality? No, you contend it's obvious. So the statement was unnecessary in the first place, only useful if you wanted to say, troll someone.

@truepurple
You don't get to decide what other people meant:

You clearly took the worst possible interpretation of his words that you could think of, and now are asserting what others think and say just so that you could keep on arguing, for the sake of it. It was clear from the context and from the user's latter explanation exactly what they meant, which is what I pointed out. That's the part where you're strawmaning - you're arguing over your own asinine interpretation of somebody's words, after said person has clarified those and it turned out it doesn't match you delusions - you're basically just trying to start shit up. That's not a good way to get attention.

@truepurple

as usual, you ignore the context and are confusing what is in the story with what the quality you want to see. sig doesn't give a damn about gudrid's woman-ness. he admires the fact that haalfdan had set his greedy eyes on her, yet she managed to be brave enough to break free. it is something he had never thought possible. all his life he has only thought of himself as haalfdan's son, doing everything to live up to his father's expectations. sig had no self determined direction. in his admiration he likens gudrid to a tern, a bird that had the freedom to go far and away, unlike himself who has always been tied to his father and his father's whims. the quality he admires is her fierce independence. that is a quality not tied to woman-ness


in the introduction of hattrgerd, she laughs as she mocks gudrid's home making skills and her hair, saying she knows that gudrid is no match for her in both upbringing and beauty; both qualities that essential to fine women worthy of marriage. why is she jealous? it's because gudrid's ties to leif's bloodline is more important to haalfdan than getting sig married to a proper woman. hatt had to work hard to become the woman she is. gudrid just happened to have ties to leif, and all of a sudden she gets priority in marriage to sig. zero effort on her behalf. to top it all off, sig chases after this woman who dishonored him on the very night they married. once he comes back, he seems finally able to become his own man, to which he credits gudrid who didn't actually do anything for him. gudrid has no qualities for hatt to be jealous of. hatt is very confident of her abilities. what she hates about gudrid is that she is lucky and gets what hatt wants, sig's passion and a place in his heart, with no effort at all.


this is called shipping. it requires no proof and is pointless speculation. whatever he thinks of her, it has nothing to do with her woman-ness


she has many qualities. but basic qualities that women are supposed to have are not any of the qualities she has. i'm not sure if you're somehow thinking that because i don't see her as a high quality woman that it follows that i don't see her as a high quality person. i think you need to understand the difference. she is a good person, but as a woman of her time, she is a failure

@criver
Why should any of us care what random fictional people who are not in the story may or may not think? I covered this very thing in my reply. Your reply acts like mine doesn't exist, which is "arguing in bad faith".
From the comics perspective, Gudrid is a good woman, I carefully established that fact and all that work was ignored by criver.
Someone saying Gudrid is a low quality woman is, is speaking to his personal sexist preference.

Also, you accused me of "strawmaning". What strawman? Be more specific in your accusation.

@truepurple
It's clear that Bana meant "low quality" in the sense that she didn't have the qualities valued in a woman on average in that tine period. You can argue all you want with this, but it's a fact. You're just overblowing this out of proportions and possibly intentionally strawmaning + arguing in bad faith.
Note that this is is not to say that she didn't have positive qualities - they were just not the ones valued in a woman for that time period. The same way men without the stereotypical qualities that you see throughout were not considered men.

ugh, finally catched up. Need more Vinland in ma veins.

@Bana

"Gudrid is a low quality woman" At no point does the story say this. Instead this is a personal opinion, which is as much a "feeling" of yours as anything I've said. Yet you're treating your subjective opinion as fact. You say there is proof in the chapters where they are introduced? Be specific. Where in these chapters does anyone call Gudrid a low quality woman? Not that finding some nobody character saying it really matters but I still want you to back up your statement.


How about we take the story on it's own terms. Whether it be alliances or whatever else, Gudrid was high enough quality to track half way across the ocrean to chase to make her his wife. Sig only let her go because of his and her feelings, not because of her quality, in fact Sig admired Gudrids quality. Gudrid being a woman is part of her quality, he did chase after her to marry him.

So Sigs perspective on Gudrids quality not enough for you?

How about Hatts perspective. She saw enough quality in Gudrid to be jealous of her and forbid the mention of her, or at least she recognized Sigs recognition of Gudrids quality, it was evident enough with so few words. She wouldn't have been jealous if Sig were talking about a man.

Let's take Gudrid from Thorfinns perspective. Do you think Thorfinn will hesitate to be together, to marry, Gudrid, based on her not being quality enough of a woman? I think not.
Do you think any of their friends/travel companions will discourage a romantic relationship between Thorfinn and Gudrid based on Gudrid not being a quality enough woman? Doubtful.

And to your woman can only be wives statement. When has Thorfinn said woman can only be wives? The group wouldn't have accepted her if they thought that.

The story sees the quality in Gudrid. Its you and your personal feelings that say she's not. Talking about real historical facts, irrelevant. First no matter how historical it might be, it's still a fictional story. Second, it's irrelevant to what a fictional society in a story as a whole might say, only what the people who actually appear in the story would say. The rest of the fictional world may as well not exist, and generally readers accept this except when they conveniently don't like right now with you.

Hell, that's even true of real life. If this was a real story, the feelings of the people around them matter much more than some general society, especially in a setting without communication tools, slow travel etc. where people are more isolated.

So you speak from only personal opinion/"feeling" and that opinion is sexist.